The Joy of Personal Growth: Finding Fulfilment Outside the Nine-to-Five - Katherine
David.Adderson (David Adderson) • September 1, 2023
Unleashing Fulfilment:

Unleashing Fulfilment: Empowering Individuals through Personal Endeavours as Katherine embarks on a journey to find personal fulfilment by pursuing her passions, facing the challenge of balancing work and personal life.
My special guest is Katherine Katherine is a charismatic individual who recognized the need to find her own distinct pursuit outside the realm of familial responsibilities. Despite being engrossed in a fulfilling role as a mother, she courageously embarked on a journey of personal development. With an unwavering commitment, Katherine imparts her wisdom on the impact of personal endeavours on overall satisfaction and well-being. Her story, interspersed with her volunteering experience at Samaritans, underlines her empathetic nature and knack for interpersonal connection.
This is Katherine's story:
Katherine's narrative unfolds as a poignant tale of self-discovery and resilience. Amidst the humdrum of parenthood and household chores, she experienced an epiphany, sparking her journey towards personal endeavours outside of work. Realizing that her love for people and her listening skills could be harnessed for a greater purpose, she embarked on volunteering, bringing about a profound sense of fulfilment. However, her journey was not devoid of challenges. The decision to sell her house, coupled with her commitment to her work, exerted immense pressure. Yet, Katherine navigated these challenges with grit and determination, proving that personal hardships are not a roadblock but stepping stones towards achieving greater personal growth.
In this episode, you will be able to:
Undertaking personal endeavours and projects, particularly those we're passionate about, can be a source of fulfilment and mental well-being. Engaging in activities that allow you to express your creativity, develop new skills, or lend a helping hand to others can serve as a powerful antidote to work-related stress and burnout. It also provides a sense of accomplishment and a positive distraction that helps you maintain a balanced lifestyle.
In her chat with David, Katherine unveils her admiration for her children's resilience during challenging times. She touchingly describes her son's ambitious dream of starting a cricket academy, an initiative aimed at providing equal opportunities for talented state school children. She expresses keen interest in harnessing her operational and financial expertise to support this noble cause, suggesting that this personal endeavour gives her a sense of fulfilment and purpose apart from her actual work.
Engaging and feeling part of a company's journey can be a tremendous source of fulfilment. This goes beyond merely executing assigned tasks and plays a part in influencing the organization's direction. It’s about actively contributing to the company's development and witnessing your efforts bear fruit. An employee who feels they are contributing to the bigger picture is likely to be more invested, motivated, and satisfied with their job.
Katherine echoes a similar sentiment in her conversation with David. She expressed a longing for an experience where she could have felt more involved and influential in her former roles, something more than just following orders. This desire for engagement and the ability to make a significant difference is a reflection of her deep-rooted passion for her work. It also points towards the type of work environment she aims to cultivate - one where every team member feels valued and sees themselves as an active part of the journey.
Undertaking personal endeavours and projects, particularly those we're passionate about, can be a source of fulfilment and mental well-being. Engaging in activities that allow you to express your creativity, develop new skills, or lend a helping hand to others can serve as a powerful antidote to work-related stress and burnout. It also provides a sense of accomplishment and a positive distraction that helps you maintain a balanced lifestyle.
In her chat with David, Katherine unveils her admiration for her children's resilience during challenging times. She touchingly describes her son's ambitious dream of starting a cricket academy, an initiative aimed at providing equal opportunities for talented state school children. She expresses keen interest in harnessing her operational and financial expertise to support this noble cause, suggesting that this personal endeavour gives her a sense of fulfilment and purpose apart from her actual work.
The resources mentioned in this episode are:
Timestamped summary of this episode:
00:00:03 - One Year Anniversary,
David and Katherine reflect on the past year of their podcast, discussing both the physical and emotional journey they have experienced.
00:01:29 - Starting Samaritans,
Katherine shares her decision to become a volunteer for Samaritans, highlighting her desire for personal fulfilment and social interaction. She describes the rewarding and surprising experiences she has had as a volunteer.
00:03:51 - The Podcast Journey,
David asks Katherine about her initial thoughts on starting the podcast, to which she admits she wasn't a big fan of the idea at first. However, she has since enjoyed the conversations and learning new things about their guests. They discuss how the podcast has helped increase visibility, even though it wasn't their primary goal.
00:06:27 - Selling the House,
Katherine shares the stress and uncertainty caused by deciding to sell her house, which coincided with a difficult market period. This process prolonged and caused difficulties in making plans or finding a new home, but ultimately taught her patience and resilience.
00:09:24 - Staff Changes and Recruitment,
David discusses the departure of a staff member and the challenges it presented. They then talk about their successful recruitment process, where they attracted high-quality candidates due to their brand and podcast. They also explain their decision to hire two new staff members in anticipation of business growth.
00:16:20 - Challenges of the Previous Office Space,
The hosts discuss the difficulties they faced in their previous office space, including freezing temperatures, frozen pipes, and the inability to heat the space. They ultimately decided to move to a new location due to these issues.
00:17:18 - The Importance of Internet Access,
The hosts highlight how crucial internet access is for their business, as they were unable to function without it. They had to rely on mobile data, which was mediocre and couldn't support video meetings. This experience led them to allow their team to work from home for a period of time.
00:18:11 - Chaotic Months of Moving Office and House,
The hosts recount the chaotic months of moving both their office and their house. They describe the stress, uncertainty, and challenges they faced during this period, including packing, dividing belongings, and dealing with family problems. Despite the difficulties, they managed to grow their business during this time.
00:22:54 - Embracing Change and Looking Forward,
The hosts express their desire for new challenges and the need to keep changing and challenging themselves to move forward. They discuss their plans for the future, which include focusing on operational tasks, strategy, and exploring new service lines. They also discuss the role of AI in their business, acknowledging its potential for automation but emphasizing the importance of the human touch in their services.
00:29:24 - Tech Progress in the Industry,
The hosts reflect on the progress of technology in their industry over
00:32:55 - Employee Satisfaction and Effecting Change,
The conversation begins with the guest expressing her desire to have felt like a valued employee and to have been a part of making a difference. They discuss the importance of not just being told what to do, but being able to contribute and affect change in the workplace.
00:33:55 - Dreaming Big,
The guest shares her son's big dream of starting a cricket academy that aims to level the playing field for talented state school children. The whole family is excited about the idea and each member sees a role they can play in making it a reality.
00:36:22 - Working with Family,
The conversation explores the potential challenges and rewards of working with family members. While it may be difficult at times, there is a sense of trust and support that can make the experience fun and fulfilling.
00:37:45 - Acknowledging Mistakes,
The guest reflects on the question of whether there is something she knows she is doing wrong. She believes she is thoughtful in her actions and tries not to knowingly do something wrong. She skips the question and moves on to another card.
00:40:06 - Expressing Love,
The guest opens up about her struggle to say "I love you" to her father. She acknowledges the importance of expressing love before it's too late and realizes that she should say it more often, not just to her children but to her father as well.
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It just gives people a space to tell their story, doesn't it, really? - Katherine
My special guest is Katherine Katherine is a charismatic individual who recognized the need to find her own distinct pursuit outside the realm of familial responsibilities. Despite being engrossed in a fulfilling role as a mother, she courageously embarked on a journey of personal development. With an unwavering commitment, Katherine imparts her wisdom on the impact of personal endeavours on overall satisfaction and well-being. Her story, interspersed with her volunteering experience at Samaritans, underlines her empathetic nature and knack for interpersonal connection.
This is Katherine's story:
Katherine's narrative unfolds as a poignant tale of self-discovery and resilience. Amidst the humdrum of parenthood and household chores, she experienced an epiphany, sparking her journey towards personal endeavours outside of work. Realizing that her love for people and her listening skills could be harnessed for a greater purpose, she embarked on volunteering, bringing about a profound sense of fulfilment. However, her journey was not devoid of challenges. The decision to sell her house, coupled with her commitment to her work, exerted immense pressure. Yet, Katherine navigated these challenges with grit and determination, proving that personal hardships are not a roadblock but stepping stones towards achieving greater personal growth.
In this episode, you will be able to:
- Traverse smoothly through real estate obstacles with practical selling solutions
- Learn how personal endeavours contribute to life's well-being and satisfaction
- Recognize the instrumental function a podcast serves in pulling top-notch job candidates
- Embrace the value of effective listening and other soft skills in personal and professional environments
- Grasp why resilience and adaptability are keys to unlock potentials in a rapidly evolving business landscape.
Undertaking personal endeavours and projects, particularly those we're passionate about, can be a source of fulfilment and mental well-being. Engaging in activities that allow you to express your creativity, develop new skills, or lend a helping hand to others can serve as a powerful antidote to work-related stress and burnout. It also provides a sense of accomplishment and a positive distraction that helps you maintain a balanced lifestyle.
In her chat with David, Katherine unveils her admiration for her children's resilience during challenging times. She touchingly describes her son's ambitious dream of starting a cricket academy, an initiative aimed at providing equal opportunities for talented state school children. She expresses keen interest in harnessing her operational and financial expertise to support this noble cause, suggesting that this personal endeavour gives her a sense of fulfilment and purpose apart from her actual work.
Engaging and feeling part of a company's journey can be a tremendous source of fulfilment. This goes beyond merely executing assigned tasks and plays a part in influencing the organization's direction. It’s about actively contributing to the company's development and witnessing your efforts bear fruit. An employee who feels they are contributing to the bigger picture is likely to be more invested, motivated, and satisfied with their job.
Katherine echoes a similar sentiment in her conversation with David. She expressed a longing for an experience where she could have felt more involved and influential in her former roles, something more than just following orders. This desire for engagement and the ability to make a significant difference is a reflection of her deep-rooted passion for her work. It also points towards the type of work environment she aims to cultivate - one where every team member feels valued and sees themselves as an active part of the journey.
Undertaking personal endeavours and projects, particularly those we're passionate about, can be a source of fulfilment and mental well-being. Engaging in activities that allow you to express your creativity, develop new skills, or lend a helping hand to others can serve as a powerful antidote to work-related stress and burnout. It also provides a sense of accomplishment and a positive distraction that helps you maintain a balanced lifestyle.
In her chat with David, Katherine unveils her admiration for her children's resilience during challenging times. She touchingly describes her son's ambitious dream of starting a cricket academy, an initiative aimed at providing equal opportunities for talented state school children. She expresses keen interest in harnessing her operational and financial expertise to support this noble cause, suggesting that this personal endeavour gives her a sense of fulfilment and purpose apart from her actual work.
The resources mentioned in this episode are:
- Join Samaritans: If you're interested in becoming a volunteer for Samaritans like Katherine, visit their website to learn more and sign up.
- Start a podcast: If you've been thinking about starting your own podcast, take the leap and begin sharing your conversations and stories with the world.
- Update your LinkedIn profile: Consider adding the title of therapist to your LinkedIn profile if you have the relevant experience and skills.
- Consider volunteering: If you're looking for a way to give back and make a difference, explore volunteer opportunities in your community.
- Listen more: Take the time to practice active listening and engage in meaningful conversations with others.
- Increase visibility: If you're a business owner, focus on increasing your visibility through platforms like podcasts and social media to reach a wider audience.
- Embrace flexibility: Understand that not everything in life needs to be solely focused on generating income. Pursue activities and hobbies that bring you joy and fulfilment.
- Be open to unexpected directions: Don't be afraid to let conversations and experiences take you in a different direction than you originally anticipated.
- Don't be too structured: In conversations and interviews, try to be more adaptable and go
Timestamped summary of this episode:
00:00:03 - One Year Anniversary,
David and Katherine reflect on the past year of their podcast, discussing both the physical and emotional journey they have experienced.
00:01:29 - Starting Samaritans,
Katherine shares her decision to become a volunteer for Samaritans, highlighting her desire for personal fulfilment and social interaction. She describes the rewarding and surprising experiences she has had as a volunteer.
00:03:51 - The Podcast Journey,
David asks Katherine about her initial thoughts on starting the podcast, to which she admits she wasn't a big fan of the idea at first. However, she has since enjoyed the conversations and learning new things about their guests. They discuss how the podcast has helped increase visibility, even though it wasn't their primary goal.
00:06:27 - Selling the House,
Katherine shares the stress and uncertainty caused by deciding to sell her house, which coincided with a difficult market period. This process prolonged and caused difficulties in making plans or finding a new home, but ultimately taught her patience and resilience.
00:09:24 - Staff Changes and Recruitment,
David discusses the departure of a staff member and the challenges it presented. They then talk about their successful recruitment process, where they attracted high-quality candidates due to their brand and podcast. They also explain their decision to hire two new staff members in anticipation of business growth.
00:16:20 - Challenges of the Previous Office Space,
The hosts discuss the difficulties they faced in their previous office space, including freezing temperatures, frozen pipes, and the inability to heat the space. They ultimately decided to move to a new location due to these issues.
00:17:18 - The Importance of Internet Access,
The hosts highlight how crucial internet access is for their business, as they were unable to function without it. They had to rely on mobile data, which was mediocre and couldn't support video meetings. This experience led them to allow their team to work from home for a period of time.
00:18:11 - Chaotic Months of Moving Office and House,
The hosts recount the chaotic months of moving both their office and their house. They describe the stress, uncertainty, and challenges they faced during this period, including packing, dividing belongings, and dealing with family problems. Despite the difficulties, they managed to grow their business during this time.
00:22:54 - Embracing Change and Looking Forward,
The hosts express their desire for new challenges and the need to keep changing and challenging themselves to move forward. They discuss their plans for the future, which include focusing on operational tasks, strategy, and exploring new service lines. They also discuss the role of AI in their business, acknowledging its potential for automation but emphasizing the importance of the human touch in their services.
00:29:24 - Tech Progress in the Industry,
The hosts reflect on the progress of technology in their industry over
00:32:55 - Employee Satisfaction and Effecting Change,
The conversation begins with the guest expressing her desire to have felt like a valued employee and to have been a part of making a difference. They discuss the importance of not just being told what to do, but being able to contribute and affect change in the workplace.
00:33:55 - Dreaming Big,
The guest shares her son's big dream of starting a cricket academy that aims to level the playing field for talented state school children. The whole family is excited about the idea and each member sees a role they can play in making it a reality.
00:36:22 - Working with Family,
The conversation explores the potential challenges and rewards of working with family members. While it may be difficult at times, there is a sense of trust and support that can make the experience fun and fulfilling.
00:37:45 - Acknowledging Mistakes,
The guest reflects on the question of whether there is something she knows she is doing wrong. She believes she is thoughtful in her actions and tries not to knowingly do something wrong. She skips the question and moves on to another card.
00:40:06 - Expressing Love,
The guest opens up about her struggle to say "I love you" to her father. She acknowledges the importance of expressing love before it's too late and realizes that she should say it more often, not just to her children but to her father as well.
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In Part 1 of this series, Dr Anita Devi opened the conversation on the rising complexity of SEND and the need for intentional, values-driven provision. Her reflections focused on inclusive leadership, purposeful commissioning, and the principle that less can often be more . In this second part, I’d like to continue the conversation — but from a financial perspective. My name is Katherine Robertson. I’ve spent over 10 years working with organisations across sectors including the education sector, helping them to navigate their finances confidently and strategically. What I’ve learned over that time is simple: money follows priorities — but only when we lead with clarity . And now, with SEND needs rising faster than school income, we must work smarter than ever with the resources we have. 🎯 From Stockpiling to Strategic Spending In 2024, the Department for Education wrote to 64 academy trusts, concerned that some were holding onto reserves more than 100% of their annual income . These aren’t just large numbers — they are untapped opportunities. Of course, we know why these reserves exist: financial uncertainty, poor capital funding, and the understandable desire to protect future viability. But if money meant for today’s pupils is held for tomorrow’s problems , we risk doing a disservice to the very learners we aim to support. That’s why we’re asking an important question: Can schools and trusts use their reserves to strengthen inclusion and SEND support now, without compromising their long-term financial security? Our answer is yes — with the right approach. 🧩 Applying Financial Wisdom to Inclusive Practice We are not advocating reckless spending or draining reserves dry. On the contrary, we work with leaders to build a clear, defensible strategy for using reserves wisely , backed by robust modelling, compliance with DfE guidance, and an unwavering focus on improving outcomes for children with SEND. Together with Dr Anita Devi, we bring dual lens: educational insight and financial clarity. Here’s how we help to: ● Identify untapped funding within existing reserves ● Co-develop an evidence-led SEND investment plan ● Align to DfE expectations on reserve levels and financial health ● Build the narrative for governors, trustees, auditors and regulators ● Support ongoing evaluation to ensure value for money and impact It’s not about spending more. It’s about spending better . 🔄 Releasing Funds. Reinforcing Purpose. SEND needs are not going away — and nor are the financial pressures. But when finance and inclusion experts work together, we can unlock solutions that support both pupil outcomes and institutional resilience . With careful planning, strategic reserve use can: ● Fund early intervention ● Invest in staff development ● Improve provision infrastructure ● And reduce future costs from reactive SEND placements or escalation It’s a long-term gain — and a value-led approach to financial governance. 💬 Let’s Continue the Conversation If you’re sitting on reserves and wondering how best to use them — or if you’re just ready to rethink how your SEND resources are working for you — we’re here to help. We offer a tailored advisory service that helps schools and trusts plan, invest and lead with both head and heart. 📩 Reach out at SEND_Finance@youtopia.co.uk to book a preliminary conversation. Because sometimes, the smartest way to save — is to spend with purpose. Author: Katherine Robertson Strategic Finance Expert and Education Consultant In partnership with Dr Anita Devi – Leading SEND Specialist

Inclusion is desirable, yet it is complex. In this two-part blog, we begin to unravel the challenges of increasing needs in education and diminishing resources. In this article, Dr Anita Devi explores some of the many challenges Educators in England currently face. Her intent is to extend perceptual thinking from problem to solution. In Part 2, Katherine Robertson will unpick some of the financial levers for consideration. I have worked in the education sector for a fair few decades now. Am I showing my age? Possibly, but also my experience and out of that experience is born wisdom. Wisdom is applied knowledge with the benefit of lived experience and hindsight. To broaden our thinking, I have decided to focus on three areas: Rising needs in the classroom – ensuring each child receives an educational experience that is progressive, whilst meeting their needs Less is more – applying a structured and systematic approach to providing support for special educational needs and disability (SEND) Commissioning with purpose – intentionally involving others, when needed. Since the increase in needs always outmatches the rise in resource funding, sadly we will always be in a deficit. This is not about being despondent, but hopeful through responsive and creative solutions. In many life situations, we face elements of the unknown and so we put in place checks and balances to ensure we maintain stability. If our own personal finances were continuously in the red, we would be faced with three options: Reduce spending Increase income Look for alternatives In the education world whilst options 1 and 2 may be possible to some degree, it is restricted and ultimately option 3 has been our default; especially if we are to adhere to the core principles of The Salamanca Statement (1994) and more closely to home, The Children and Families’ Act 2014. Rising need in the classroom Those who lead on inclusion and /or SEND need to simplify systems to ensure those learners who require additional and adaptive provision receive it. I have expanded more on this in a July 2023 booklet, which you can download here . If as a leader, you understand the fundamentals of an inclusive provision framework, you can reduce the paper trail to make it purposeful, without compromising on keeping a diligent paper trail of evidence. This will also ensure you know whether what is in place is having an impact or not. SEND: It is time to lead differently . Less is more There are a number of core decisions to be made when additional provision is put in place. For example, in or out of the classroom? How long is the defined additional support required and most importantly what is the expected outcome from the additional support? For far too long, we have assumed the ‘forever’ model when it comes to interventions or additional support. We have often omitted to discern short-term from long-term, as well as factor in the negative impact of too many interventions simultaneously. Short-term interventions, if assessed and targeted well can (in many instances) provide the learner with new skills and/or increased independence. This is a desirable outcome, as none of us is truly seeking to create a dependency model. Equally, administering too many interventions simultaneously takes away from the exploratory nature of interventions i.e. what’s working and what needs to change. We have indeed moved away from the ‘medical model’, however, some of the basic principles still need to be considered. In response to a medical condition, a doctor would not prescribe multiple medications or remedies simultaneously. Due care and consideration would be given to the negative interactive impact of one solution upon another. We need to apply a similar approach to inclusion and SEND. This is not denying that a child may have multiple needs, but sometimes it is about focusing on one thing at a time. Commissioning with Purpose This has been a bugbear of mine since 2018 , if not before! As a previous SEND Advisory Teacher, I was always intentional about ‘adding value’ to what is already in place in any setting. As a previous Senior Leader / SENCO, I was always intentional about securing services that provided ‘value for money’. I’ve worked with The Audit Commission on this and The National Audit Office, not to mention Business Managers and local authorities. I would also encourage readers to explore their ‘decommissioning process’. As a long-standing Education Change Consultant, my team & I always write our exit plans before we go into support. This is regardless of whether we are working in the UK or overseas. I am continuously amazed how many schools/colleges rely on the same service for years, even if there is no impact evidence of change through the input they are buying in. Over the years, training head teachers at national conferences, I have always advocated ‘procurement with precision’. Even at local authority level, I think provision would be better if Porter’s Forces were applied during the annual review of an EHCP in regard to placement choices, especially non-maintained Independent schools (NMIs). Supplier power through exuberant price hikes, in a time when there is a shortage of places, is both immoral and financially unsustainable. This is just the start of the conversation, but with a few systemic tweaks – schools and colleges can begin to look differently at provision. Still meeting the needs of children and young people but reducing the strain on financial resources and human manpower. Do get in touch if you would like to find out more. Author: Dr Anita Devi dr. h.c. Dr Anita Devi , leading SEND specialist, and Katherine Robertson , strategic finance expert, have joined forces to offer a new advisory service for schools and colleges . This service is designed to provide strategic financial governance of SEND provision, focusing on efficiency, effectiveness, and value for money . We help you explore financially sustainable solutions that support early intervention, improve outcomes, and make the most of every pound spent, without compromising on quality. If you're ready to rethink how SEND resources are used in your setting, contact us for a preliminary conversation at SEND_Finance@youtopia.co.uk 📢 And keep an eye out for our upcoming blog